Cen C711 User manual

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C711/C712 Alternators
Troubleshooting Guide
C.E. Niehoff & Co.
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CONTENTS
Section 1: Wiring ................................................................2
Section 2: Basic Troubleshooting.....................................3
Section 3: Advanced Troubleshooting .............................4
Battery Charging Conditions
The following conditions may be observed during cold-
start voltage tests until temperatures of electrical system
components stabilize. The time it takes to reach optimum
voltage and amps will vary with engine speed, load, and
ambient temperature.
Maintenance/Low Maintenance Lead-Acid Battery:
Traditional lead acid batteries require lowest charge volt-
age of all vehicle battery chemistries. Battery cells must
be maintained by periodically topping off with distilled
water as required.
Maintenance-free Lead-Acid Battery:
Maintenance-free batteries are similar to Maintenance/
Low Maintenance batteries, but may require slightly higher
charge voltage.
Deep-cycle/Marine Maintenance-free Battery:
Charge acceptance of these batteries may display charac-
teristics similar to maintenance-free batteries and may
charge faster due to generally lower capacity relative to
size.
AGM (Absorbed Glass Mat) Maintenance-free Battery:
These dry-cell batteries respond better than standard
maintenance-free batteries. If battery state of charge
(SOC) drops to 75% or less, batteries should be
recharged to 95% or higher separately from engine charg-
ing system to avoid damaging charging system
components and to provide best overall performance.
Charge acceptance of these batteries may display charac-
teristics similar to maintenance batteries, but may require
higher charge voltage and will draw signicant current (<100
amps) when under 50% SOC.
Lithium Battery:
Lithium batteries have unique charging characteristics that
differ from lead acid. These batteries require charging
systems congured specically for lithium battery chemis-
tries. Contact CEN for more information on lithium battery
charging systems and components.
Voltage testing:
• Set meter to proper scale and type (AC or DC).
• Be sure to zero the meter scale or identify the meter
burden by touching meter leads together. Meter burden
must be subtracted from nal reading obtained.
• Be sure the meter leads touch source area only.
Prevent short circuit damage to test leads or source by
not allowing meter leads to touch other pins or exposed
wires in test area.
• Be sure to use CEN tools designed especially for trou-
bleshooting CEN alternators when available.
Resistance (ohm) testing:
• Set meter to proper scale.
• Be sure to zero the meter scale or identify the meter
burden by touching meter leads together. Meter burden
must be subtracted from nal reading obtained.
• Be sure meter leads touch source area only. Allowing
ngers or body parts to touch meter leads or source
during reading may alter reading.
• Be sure reading is taken when source is at 70ºF. Read-
ings taken at higher temperatures will increase the
reading. Conversely, readings taken at lower tempera-
tures will decrease the reading.
• Be sure to test directly at the source. Testing through
extended harnesses or cable extensions may increase
the reading.
• "OL" as referenced in this document refers to open cir-
cuit: "innite" resistance, typically in very high kilo- or
megaohm range depending on meter and settings.
Diode testing:
• Diodes allow current to ow in one direction only. Typi-
cal voltage drop in forward bias can range from 0.1-
0.85V. Meter should read OL in reverse bias. Check
meter user manual for meter-specic testing guidelines.
Voltage drop testing:
• Measure voltage between B+ on alternator or power
source and B- (ground) on alternator or source. Record
reading. Move to batteries or other power source and
measure again between B+ and B- terminals on battery
or other power source. The difference between the two
readings represents voltage lost within circuit due to,
but not limited to, inadequate cable gauge or faulty con-
nections.
• Voltage drop measurements must be taken with all elec-
trical loads or source operating.
Dynamic/Live testing (Connecting power and ground to
component to test operation/function out of circuit):
• Connect jumper leads directly and securely to power
source contacts of component being tested.
• Make any connection to power and ground at power
supply or battery source terminals. Do not make con-
nection at component source terminals, as that may
create an arc and damage component source terminals.
Testing Guidelines
Professional service technicians rely on the following
guidelines when testing electrical components.

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The C711C711
C711C711
C711 alternator (14 V, 360 A)and C712C712
C712C712
C712 alterna-
tor (14 V, 400 A) are internally rectified. All windings
and current-transmitting components are non-
moving, so there are no brushes or slip rings to wear
out. This unit is externally energized through either
an ignition switch or an energize switch (commonly
an oil pressure switch), which activates regulator.
Field coil is then energized. Regulator maintains
alternator output voltage at regulated setting as
vehicle electrical loads are switched on and off.
Alternator output current is self-limiting and will not
exceed rated capacity of alternator.
A2-121 regulator used with all units has a 15.5 V
regulator setpoint available for battery isolator
applications.
Electromagnetic interference (EMI) is suppressed with
internal filters to acceptable levels defined by the
Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) specification
J1113/41. A2-121 regulator will not reduce EMI from
sources such as antennas, poor cable routing prac-
tice, or other electronic devices that cause EMI. If EMI
continues, consult an electromagnetic compliance
(EMC) specialist to determine EMI source.
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1. Inspect charging system componentsInspect charging system components
Inspect charging system componentsInspect charging system components
Inspect charging system components
for damagefor damage
for damagefor damage
for damage
Check connections at B– cable, B+ cable, and
regulator harness. Repair or replace any dam-
aged component before troubleshooting.
2. Inspect vehicle battery connectionsInspect vehicle battery connections
Inspect vehicle battery connectionsInspect vehicle battery connections
Inspect vehicle battery connections
Connections must be clean and tight.
3. Determine battery voltage and state of chargeDetermine battery voltage and state of charge
Determine battery voltage and state of chargeDetermine battery voltage and state of charge
Determine battery voltage and state of charge
If batteries are discharged, recharge or replace
batteries as necessary. Electrical system cannot
be properly tested unless batteries are charged
95% or higher.
4. Determine if battery isolator is usedDetermine if battery isolator is used
Determine if battery isolator is usedDetermine if battery isolator is used
Determine if battery isolator is used inin
inin
in
charging circuitcharging circuit
charging circuitcharging circuit
charging circuit
Check vehicle wiring diagram. If so, you must
jumper out isolator before troubleshooting. See
Chart 1 on page 4 for details.
5. Connect meters to alternatorConnect meters to alternator
Connect meters to alternatorConnect meters to alternator
Connect meters to alternator
Connect red lead of DMM to alternator B+
terminal and black lead to alternator B–
terminal. Clamp inductive ammeter on B+ cable.
6. Operate vehicleOperate vehicle
Operate vehicleOperate vehicle
Operate vehicle
Observe charge voltage.
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If voltage is at or below regulator setpoint, let
charging system operate for several minutes to
normalize operating temperature.
7. Observe charge volts and ampsObserve charge volts and amps
Observe charge volts and ampsObserve charge volts and amps
Observe charge volts and amps
Charge voltage should increase and charge amps
should decrease. If charge voltage does not
increase within ten minutes, continue to next
step.
8. BatteryBattery
BatteryBattery
Battery is considered fully charged if charge
voltage is at regulator setpoint and charge amps
remain at lowest value for 10 minutes.
9. If charging systemIf charging system
If charging systemIf charging system
If charging system is not performing properly,
go to Chart 1, page 4.
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Check: loose drive belt; low
battery state of charge.
Check: current load on
system is greater than
alternator can produce.
Check: defective wiring or
poor ground path; low
regulator setpoint.
Check: defective alternator
and/or regulator.
Check: wrong regulator.
Check: high regulator set-
point.
Check: defective regulator.
Check: alternator.
Check: broken drive belt.
Check: battery voltage at
alternator output terminal.
Check: defective alternator
and/or regulator.
Low Voltage Output
High Voltage Output
No Voltage Output
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Check condition of items in Table 1 and correct if
necessary.
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• Digital Multimeter (DMM)
• Ammeter (digital, inductive)
• CEN Regulator Bypass Adapter A10-129
• Jumper wire
• 12 V test light
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Complete the following for proper troubleshooting:
Alternator model number ______________________
Regulator model number _______________________
Setpoints listed on regulator ___________________
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Section 3: Advanced Troubleshooting
Yes No
For “no voltage output” condition: • with enerener
enerener
energize switchgize switch
gize switchgize switch
gize switch, go to Chart 2, page 5.
• with ignition switchignition switch
ignition switchignition switch
ignition switch, go to Chart 3, page 6.
Is there a battery isolator in the system?
Chart 1 – System Circuit
Install temporary jumper between one battery terminal and
alternator terminal on isolator. Use minimum 12 AWG wire.
Do not operate charging system more than two
minutes with jumper installed. Charging system
voltage will be abnormally high and damage other components.
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Test for battery voltage at B+ terminal on alternator to ground, then at F+ terminal on alterna-
tor to ground. Does battery voltage exist?
Yes No
Repair vehicle wiring as necessary. Continue test.
Vehicle charging circuit test is complete.
Remove jumper wire. Run engine and
re-test charging circuit for operation.
Chart 2 – No Alternator Output – EnerEner
EnerEner
Energize Switchgize Switch
gize Switchgize Switch
gize Switch – Test Charging Circuit
Jumper B+ terminal on alternator to E terminal
on alternator. Touch shaft with steel tool to de-
tect significant magnetism. Is shaft magnetized?
Yes No
Go to energize switch on engine in E circuit.
Test for battery voltage going into energize switch
from battery. Does battery voltage exist?
Yes No
Make sure jumper wire from alternator B+
terminal to alternator E terminal is still attached.
Test for battery voltage at energize switch E
terminal connection. Does battery voltage exist
at energize switch?
E circuit from alterna-
tor to energize switch is
good. Energize switch is
defective.
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Repair vehicle circuit to
energize switch. Continue test.
Yes No
Repair vehicle circuit
from E teminal on
alternator to energize
switch on engine.
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Unplug alternator-to-regulator harness. Plug
CEN Regulator Bypass Adapter A10-129 into
harness plug and touch black lead to ground
on alternator case. (If no Adapter is available,
connect jumper wire from socket C on the
harness to ground). Spark will occur at
ground. Touch steel tool to shaft to detect
significant magnetism. Is shaft magnetized?
Disconnect Regulator Bypass Adapter or jumper wire.
Connect DMM red lead to socket E in alternator-to-
regulator plug. Connect black lead to socket A in same
plug. Does battery voltage exist?
Regulator is
defective.
Yes No
Check wiring and connections to
alternator.
Run engine and re-test charging
circuit for operation.
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Chart 3 – No Alternator Output – Ignition SwitchIgnition Switch
Ignition SwitchIgnition Switch
Ignition Switch – Test Charging Circuit
Jumper B+ terminal on alternator to E terminal
on alternator. Touch shaft with steel tool to de-
tect significant magnetism. Is shaft magnetized?
Yes No
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Disconnect jumper. Apply 12 V test light to
alternator E terminal and ground. Does light
glow brightly?
Yes No
Run vehicle. Does charge voltage exist?
System
operating
normally.
Repair wiring or
ignition switch.
Yes No
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Jumper B+ terminal on
alternator to E terminal
on alternator. Does charge
voltage exist?
Yes No
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Repair wiring
or ignition
switch.
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Service
Department
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Test for battery voltage at B+ terminal on alternator to ground, then at F+ terminal on regula-
tor to ground. Does battery voltage exist?
Yes No
Repair vehicle wiring as necessary. Continue test.
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Unplug alternator-to-regulator harness. Plug
CEN Regulator Bypass Adapter A10-129 into
harness plug and touch black lead to ground
on alternator case. (If no Adapter is available,
connect jumper wire from socket C on the
harness to ground). Spark will occur at
ground. Touch steel tool to shaft to detect
significant magnetism. Is shaft magnetized?
Disconnect Regulator Bypass Adapter or jumper wire.
Connect DMM red lead to socket E in alternator-to-
regulator plug. Connect black lead to socket A in same
plug. Does battery voltage exist?
Regulator is
defective.
Yes No
Check wiring and connections to
alternator.
Run engine and re-test charging
circuit for operation.
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Alternator
is defective.
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