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Outlaw Outlaw Audio 915 User manual

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Outlaw
Audio
915
7.1-Channel
Surround
Sound
Processor
DOUB
Blackburn
Outlaw
AudIO
was one
01
the
early companies
to
adopt a
direct sales model. selllllQ their products directly to consumers
WIthout adealer
ne~
They have successfully used
the
power
of
the
Internet to spread !he word about
thetr
company,
all
the
while
keeping
product prices so
low
lhat they
have
been d:ffiCult
10
Ignore.
But
low
prICes
alone are no bargain
if
the
product does-
nl
compete
with higher-priced
components
sold through
trad,too
o
al
channels Outlaw
has
done
apretty
good
iOb
over the years of
getting excellent bang-lor-buck
reviews
from
both professional
reviewers
and
from
ovmers
posting
on
forums
Today_
OtJtlaw
sells
more
than
20 products. including amplifiers, astereo
receiver,
subwoolers.
and
vanous
accessories.
The
Model 975 Surround
ProcesSOl'
is one
01
Outlaw's newest
products
To
my
knowledge, there
is
no
other surround sound
processor available al1hl$ attractIVe price ($549)
Of
lower
And
there
are
darn
few
surround
processors available
for
under $1.0c0.
More
typically.
yOtJ
find surround processors selling
for
$1,500 and up
So
Outlaws Model 975
IS
abig deal, making
it
possible
for
pe0-
ple
to
break into
the
typically higher levels
of
performance
you
get
from
aseparate surround processor ar.d ampl fier compared
to
an
AVA
that
most
people
on
tighter budgets will be forced into
for
their
home
theatre control center Amplificallon is typieally
the
weakest
area
of
perlormance lor
AVAs,
so genmg a
good
stand-
alooe
amphfier
is
one
01
the
more
effectIVE!
electrontC
upgrades
for
a
home
theatre
system.
And once ag.xxl cmpllfer IS lI'l
place,
theres
Unle
need
to
change
the
amphflE!f(s)
as features corne and go.
You
can
get anewer
SlM'1'OlXld
processor and
keep
the
amplifier
Outlaw
would be more lhan happy to help
you
WIth
your live- or seven-
chamel
ampIiflElf.
or
even
Wllh
live
or
seven
mono
amplifes
wtlen
deslgl\lng
aproduct like
this,
deslQnefs typically have
to
pick 'rom a
list
of
DSP,
videO
Pfocessing, and
controDer
chlps.
and
the
device they select determines
whal
features
the
prodUCt
has available It gets very complex and expensive to try to add
somelhlng
no!:
already supported
by
the
selected controller chip
!Nhen
you are
on
atight deYeIopment
budget
req~ed
to meel
the
modeSt
retail
PfICe of the Model 975 processor. you
have
to
choose yo.x
chps
very carefully. as
they
will
have
arather large
mpact
on your
per-uo~
build-eost. On top
01
that
you
want
to
seklct
Chips
that are gclI'lg
to
be available
for
awhile
There·s
nothing
worse
ItIan
fll"\lstMng
a
deslgn
only
to
have
aCflllcal
part
being
dlSCOr'1llnUed
and have to start
over
agaIn
Because
ollhis
design
rea Ity
the
Model
975 processor
IS
I"lOl
QOlJ'lQ
to
be
a1llhlOQs
to
aD
JXl(ent.al
customers It
has
some
things you may no!
want.
and
It
tacks other
thIllQS
you may
walll Only you can
decide
"!he Model 975
feature
set meets your
noeds
""""
Manual
And
Remote
The
manual for
the
Model 975 is quite
good
Easy-lo-understar.d
grapl'\lC$
enhance clear Straightforward
descriptiOnS
that
actually
make
sense
The
manual
does
not
try
to
speak
to
the
complete
home
theatre
I'lclVIce
though, ar.d
In
thiS
case, Ithink thafs exactly
the
right
way
to
posltl()rl
thiS
manual Anyone likely
to
be
purchaSing Outlaw
AudiO
products
is
likely
to
have
had
some
heme theatre experience
and
knows
wtlat analog and digital are and
knows
DoIbye
and
Drs-
codecs, etc
As
a
result.
descriptions
are
short and meaningful, and
the
lotal volume
0'
text
in
the
manual
is
quite manageable, Inever had
any trouble 'Indlng anything Iwas looking
for
either
The
remote
worked beller than Iexpected
for
asurround processor
that
costs only $50
more
than
an
QpPQ
BDP-103
universal
diSC
player
There
are
avariety
01
button shapes
to
help organize things into groups.
AJlthe buttons except
the
four
colored buttons are backlit, and
the
backlight is acwated by pressing
any
button. The
remote
can
control
up
to
six
other
deviCes
using
stored
codes
There
is
no
!earning mode
The
bunon
layout isn't
the
best
I've
ever
used.
but
It'S
certainly okay and
easy enough
to
adapt
to
Without
much difficulty. Secondary functions
are p(lnted on
the
body
of
the
remote and are
not
backlit. so there
are
times
when
some
room
light is
needed
for
less oflen-used bultons.
Setup
And
Use
Stnctly old school methods are
used
Measure
the
distances
from
loudspeakers
WIth
atape measure and enter
them
manJally
Determine
the
best
crossover
pcxnts
tor
each pair
of
loudspeakers and
enter
!tlOSe
matlUSlIy.
Measure
the
PIn!.
noise
test
tooe
from
each
loud-
speaker and
set
the levelS manually so
all
chamels are equaJty loud
It's
SImple
and
pretty foolproof
lis
nice to
be
able
to
set adifferent
Cl'OSSOYef
pant
lor each
pa,r
oIloudspeal<.ers and
the
center
chameI
You
can seJecl5 1 6
1.
or
7.1
loudspeakers, and asubwooler
orVoff
senng allaNs lhose to be
changed
to
50.
60.
and
70.
even !hough
you never see ItIat as a
settlf1g
opoon anywhere.
If
you do select sub-
woofer
off
you do
need
to
have
at
least one patr
of
iOUdspeakers sel
Outlaw
Audio
975
7,l-ChannelSurround
Processor
---
EQUI
PM-=:
,
....
1RVI W
to
large
so
the
bass
has
somewhere
to
go, otherwise
it
would
be
lost
completely. Distances
are
set
in
increments
of
half a
fool.
Other setup steps involve assigning sourcesJinputs and naming
lhem
to
suit
your
needs,
There
are settings
for
surround modes
that
you
may
or
may
not
want
to
tweak,
depending
on
your
room
and per-
sonal preference.
There
are
video processing settings for brightness,
contrast, saturation,
hue,
sharpness, and aspect
ratio.
Iwould recom-
mend
not
using
these
unless
you
have
avery
g<Xld
reason
to
use
them,
There
are
bassltreble controls in addition
to
an
LFE
Trim
setting
that
allows you
to
decrease (but
not
increase} subwoofer
level.
There
are
also bass augmentation senmgs
for
Dolby Oigital,
Pro
Logic
II,
DTS,
and
DTS
Neo:6
In
addition,
there's
asubwoofer
trim
control
for
all
those surround modes.
There's
even
aseparate subwooter
trim
setting
lor
when
you
are using
Stereo
mode
with
the
subwoofer.
You
can dis-
able
the
HOMI
video out
to
the
TV
if
you
are
only connecting audio
sources
to
the
Model 975
The
Video Output menu allows
you
to
select
Native mode
to
keep resolution set
to
whatever
the
incoming resolution
was,
or
you
can select AutoScale and
the
Model
975
will
upconvert
to
the
highest resolution
of
your video display,
You
can also select a
sin-
gle resolution
from
the
choices of
480i,
480p, 720p,
1080i,
and
l080p
The
Advanced DolbylDTS menu allows
you
to
vary
the
settmg
val·
ues
for
Pro
Logic
II
Panorama,
Center Width,
and
Dimension,
There
is
aseiling called
OTS
HD
loudspeaker
Remap
that
addresses one
of
Editor Gary's pet peeves about
7.1
soundtracks (apparently only helps
with
DTS-HD
in
this
case, butthars astart).
There
is
no
industry stan-
dard
for
which channels of
the
Blu-ray'M soundtrack should be sent
to
the
side surround loudspeakers and which channels should be
sent
to
the
rear surround loudspeakers.
So
you can end up having a"fly over"
start
at
the
side. move
to
the
back,
then
jump
to
the
front
instead
of
starting
in
the
back, moving forward
to
the
sides,
then
ending
at
the
front.
The
DTS
HD
Remap
setting
has
\'NO
possible settings 1
or
5.
Why
1
or
5.
Idon't know but
the
1setting shou'd be used
when
the
5.1
surround channels
are
connected
to
loudspeakers
to
the
sides
of
the
listening position
with
rear
surround loudspeakers
in
the
back
However,
thaI's
not
the
best choice
for
loudspeaker connections
if
you
want
to
listen
to
5,1
movies
with
5,1
channels (not having
the
rear sur-
round channels synthesized
or
duplicated into
the
rear
loudspeakers)
and
7,1
movies
with
71 channels The 51 surround loudspeakers
should
really
be
somewhat behind
the
listener
and
to
the
Sides
II
you
connect your loudspeakers
that
way.
your "rear surround"
OUlputs
lor
7,1
loudspeaker setups would actually be connected
to
the
side chan-
nels
Having
this
Re-Map
seltlng
alkJWs
you
to
hear
5,1
soundtracks
with
the correct 51
surround
loudspeaker
locallOns
and
7,1
soundlracks
with
the
correct
7.1
locations
Your
biggest hurdle
with
this
'what channels
are
placed where"
for
each
7,
1channel Blu·ray Disc'M is figuring out
what
they
did lor
each
lT10VIe
If
yo<J
are
a
Widescreen
Review
subscriber,
you
can access
the
online Blu-ray Disc movie
reviews,
lind
all
the
7.1
soundtrack
movies,
and
find
the
channel
locations
iclentijied.
A
small
note
taped
to
each
7.1
Blu-ray box
will
remind
you
how
to
set up
for
each
7,1-
channel
disc.
Unfortunalely,
it
sounds
like
Dolby
TrueHD
7,1
soundlracks
\.
'1
require physically changing
the
loudspeaker connections, either
at
the
back
of
the
975
or
at
the
loudspeakers themselves.
Or
you just live
With
the
"out-ol-position" surround channels
The
Model 975
has
aNight Mode
to
compress dynamics lor
late
night listening, but
it
is only available
tor
Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital
Plus,
or
Dolby
TrueHD
soundtracks
It
Ihe soundlrack
is
PCM
or
any
DTS
format.
the
Night Mode selling won't do anything Idid use
it
with
cable/satellite programming that's
almost
always Dolby Digital, and
it
did work
wim
that source
What The Model 975 Does
Not
Have
The
Model 975 does
not
have
an
analog pass-through mode
All
analog inputs
are
digitized, processed, and converted back
to
analog
Some people
will
be
fine
with
that.
while
others
may
find
that's
adeal
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to
7,1
chlmets
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Dol~
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fnctuding
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outputs
or
rear SUl'round
outputs
(botn
C801'lOI
be
U8ed
at
the
same
time)
ResoIuIlOt'I
scaJing
lor
HOMllnputs
or pas&-lhroogl'l original resoIuIion
Programmable
remoI8lor
up
10
6O\tler
deV'CM,
stored
codes
only
Front
panel
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!arm
breaker Digitizing analog inputs generally results
in
asmall loss
of
fidelity,
and Idid detect
mat
with
the
Model
975.
Analog sources did
not
sound
qUite
as good as they sound
via
high-end processors
that
do
have
analog pass-through modes.
But
Idon't want
to
overstate "did
not
sound quite as good." I
think
people
will
read
too
much into
that
statement
The
Model
975
sounds quite
g<Xld
with
analog inputs.
Music.
the
primary source you're likely
to
have
in analog lor
mat,
is
entertaining and enjoyable. Using alo-times·more-expensive proces-
sor
will
get you maybe 5percent better sound quality.
So,
as
long
as
your
expectalions
are
realistic
tor
a$549 product,
you
will
not be dis-
appointed,
If
you
think a$549 processor should have
the
same
analog
pass-through sound quality
as
a$2,000,
$5,{X)(),
or
$lO,{X)()
processor,
perhaps
you
need
to
readjust your thinking about
the
realities
01
prod-
uct
deSign,
budget, and
retail
price.
As
designed, high-quality analog
sources sound perfectly
tine
until
you
compare them drectly
to
ahigh-
end processor
or
stereo preamplifier.
That
comparison reveals
the
sound
of
the
Model
975
is
not
quite as spacious (width and depth),
background silence
is
not quite
the
equal. and detail is not quite up
to
the
standards
01
the
high-end products.
But
once again. we're only talking about
an
apprOltimate 5percent dif-
ference
{Wish
there
was
abeller way
01
quantifying
this}.
In
that
con-
te.!.
the
975 is quite abargain. II your comparison products
are
AVRs
(used
with
preamplifier outputs bypassing
the
internal ampliliers), you'll
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EQUIPMEN
VI W
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Outlaw
Audio
975
7.1-Channel
Surround
Processor
find
thallhe
975 sounds abit better than sub-$l,CXXl
AVRs
and
is
com-
petitive with $1,200
to
$2,CXXl
AVRs.
Counterbalancing the lack of analog pass-through, however.
is
the
benefit
01
full-bass management, toudspeaker layout. and surround
processing thai can
be
used
to
enhance
stereo
analog
sources
of
any
kind. including SA-CDs.
The
Model
975
has
no
5.1
Of
7.1
analog inputs.
For
those
who \IIanl
to
use the
5.1
or
7.1
analog outputs of ahigh-end disc player like
OPPO's
BOP-
105
or
Cambridge's Azul 75280
for
DVO-AudiO
or
SA-
CD.
the
Model 975
is
probably
not
your surround processor
While
many video processors.
TVs,
AVRs,
surround processors.
disc players, and other products are dropping composite. component,
and S-video connections, the
MOdel
975 has two of
each
as inputs
and one of each
as
outputs. The 975 will also convert those analog
sources
(0
HDMI. Likewise. AM and
FM
tuners are disappearing from
many
products that would have
had
them in the past,
bulthe
975 has
both.
cannot
be
done very well
by
ear alone. The meter guarantees you'll
get
the right level setting for each channel, something critical lor a
good
surround sound experience, You'll also need atape measure to
determine the distance from
each
loudspeaker to your ears, and you
will manually enter that distance in the setup menu Interestingly, there
are sound-pressure level meter applications available for most smart
phones at prices ranging from free to afew dollars. But
be
aware that
the microphones used in smart phones are designed to
be
very
good
for human speech but not very
good
for measuring the level of asub-
woofer, so you could use asmart phone
app
to set your five or seven
loudspeakers, but it
may
mislead you in setting the subwoofer level.
That alone
may
be
enough
to
justify purchasing areal sound-pressure
level meter that will allow
you
to set the level of asubwoofer accurately.
SPL meters are available from
$20
and
up
and come in USB models
as
well as standalone models. Radio Shack
no
longer sells their for-
merly highly recommended analog SPL meter that used to sell in the
$40 to $50 range, but within 2minutes or so of searching online, Idis-
TH[
Moon
975
IS
A
GR[AT
VAlU[
IN
A
SURROUND
PROC[SSOR
PRIG[
RANG[
THAT
HAS
SORnY
NHOm
MOR[
OPTIONS
fOR
A
lONG
TIML
Afair number of
new
home theatre audio products are not support-
ing Dolby Pro Logic liz
or
DTS
NeoX
both of which include process-
ing options for additional loudspeaker channels, The
MOdel
975 is not
supporting
DTS
Neo:X at the time of this review, but
it
does have Dolby
Pro Logic liz that can support two extra Width channels outboard of the
main front loudspeakers, or
it
can support two additional height chan-
nels placed above the main loudspeakers (front left and right). The
Model 975 supports additional height channels but not the extra width
channels. But. you must choose between
5.1
channels with two height
channels or
7,1
(with rear surround channels) and no height channels
The analog outputs are
7.1
channels. You'd need
9.1
channels to sup-
port width or height channels and rear surround at the same time,
or
11.1-channel support to have
7.1
channels plus width and height
channels at the same time.
To
support
11.1
channels, the MOdel 975
would have
had
to have, at aminimum,
an
addi\lonal DSP
chip
and
two more stereo
Of
Aconverters, and additional connectors
fOf
the
exira channels. That would have pushed the Model 975's price consid-
erably higher. When you want to make a
$549
processor, everything
you include and everything you
decide
not
to
include has to
be
weighed and justified, It's likely to
be
inevitable that there will
be
fea-
tures deleted and included that some potential owners will not
be
satis-
fiedwith.
There
is
no
automated speaker level
capability.
That means you'll
really want to
inve~t
in aoound preccuro lovoi motor
00
you con manu
ally measure and
selthe
level of
each
channel accurately. This really
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JunetJul~
2013
covered anearly identical-looking meter sold as the Velleman
AVM2050 selling for about $43,
The Model 975
is
not equipped
fOf
any network or USB functionali-
ty.
There's
no
USB
DAC
input, there
is
no
Ethernet port, there are
no
network applications, and there are
no
USB ports. No loss, Isay If you
want that stuff in your system, there are
so
many disc players with so
many of those features that you can easily have whatever level of net-
work and Internet
app
support
you
want without having
It
duplicated in
the surround processor Ifind that aperfectly legitimate way of dealing
with that level of functionality. Theres s,mply
no
reason to have Internet
and network functooahty in your
TV,
in your
disc
player, in your
com-
puter.
With
your satellite or cable service,
and
In
the surround proces-
sor You'd
be
paYing for
,tthree
to
live times awaste of money.
Sound
Quality
Analog sound quality compared to other products was discussed
earlier,
so
I
won~
repeat those observations here, Using
an
HDMI con-
nection
to
aBlu-ray Disc player produces movie sound very close
to
the high-end processors. The dynamics, the wide frequency range, the
well·developed sense of space, the subtle details, the near-subliminal
ambient cues, it's all there, Multichannel digital
decoding
gives
lit1le
ground to the more expensive products. There is just abit less of
cverything with the Model 075, but again, the cost differential is in no
way indicative
01
the sonic differences. The MOdel 975 is far closer
Outlaw
Audio
975
7.1-Channel
Surround
Processor
---E
UI MNT VI W
than
its bargain pnce would
lead
you to believe
USing
more closely
prICed
competillon. like
the
front-end
of
asub-
$1.(XXl
AVA
as a
companSOfl.
and
the
Model 975 pulls out agap about
!he
same
as
the
higher-priced
procesSOl'S
have
0Yef
the
Model 975
Nol ahuge difference, bot
one
lhat
can
be heard ndirect compar-
isons,
though,
not
likely audible in separate
6stenlng
sessions aday
or
more
apart
The
dynamics of gunfire,
loud
cars and frequent crashes
in
Fast
FfV18
were enough
to
raiSe
the
hairs on
my
neck. Surround effects wefe
convincing
and
rea~stIC
The
few
qUIeter
moments in
the
movie were
wei
served
by
the
Model 975, showtng
that
II
could
deal
well
WIth
the
smaIJe(
mornents-f.JSt
as well as the big
The
8Jue
Man
Group,
How to
BeaMegaslar LNe
IS
surprlSlt19ly
smdar to
Fast
FfV18
in regards to
dyr'IarT'Mcs
and all-atOlXld-Ioud,
Wl\h
orIy
a
few
qUIeter
moments but
the Model 975 had no trouble keeping
up
lVld deIvenng
an
theroances
in
this clever
and
inventIVe
live
performance
There
was nothing about
the sound
of
the
Model 975
that
so.nded
°Iow-«ld"
or
even "mid-fi °It
sirrl>tY
delivered v.tIatever
was
Q"I the soundtrack
qUIte
competently
The
sub-$1(0)
AVA
front-end Icompared
the
Model 975
10,
inter-
fered enough
WIth
the
performance that even though
thel'e
was
noltWlg
obviousfy
wrong
w,th
the
sound,
II
was
mentally cnallenglflQ to
remain
engaged
WIth
the performance
ThaI
was
more
obvious
......
th
rT1USIC8l
performances
than
WIth
rTlOVIe soundtracks but there was
stJl
abit ol a
dlSCOR1eCl.
WIth
rnD\IIe
sound
It's
a
dlfflCUft
Itw1g
10
describe because
the!e
IS
noone thng
you
can
put
your /Inger on. Ifs something like
missing
rTqO.
as nebulous as
that
might
sound
Its ltlere, bot
not
com-
p1e:efy
there;
alittle
duner.
alittle
!hocker,
alittle smeared, alittle iodis-
tinct Those shortcomingS are
low
In
Iel/el, enough that
It
doesn't
hIt
you
right
away,
but after five
or
ten
minutes you find yourself
Iosmg
interest
for
no
obl/IOUS
reaSOfl
On
the
other hand, the Model
975
had
none
of
those abolle short-
comings •and ltIat aklne is
one
ol the
reasons
you'd
switch
to
aModel
975 and outboard amplifier combo rather
than
stick with
an
AVA
Conclusion
().jt1aw AudIO'S
Model
975 is agreat value
in
asurround processor
priCe
range
that
has
sorely
needed
more,
or
arty. op\JOl'lS lor along
tJme Be sure
you
lKlderstand
the
Model 9755 feature set to insure II
WID
do
Yohat
you
want
1\
to
do
The
Model 975
has
the
lowest priee of
any surround processor I'm aware
of.
but
the
low
cost doesn't result
in
Iow.quahty sound If
you
need
and
warn
the
feature
set
ol
the 975
processor. II will definitely
live
up to
your
expecta\JOl'lS for
sound
quality
in
$p!te
of
the
low
prICe
Outlaw
seIlS a 7
<hamel
amplifier
for
just
S699
Wlth
75
watts
per
ehanneI
That
IS
eqU:lialent to
at
least
150
watts
pel'
chaMeI in
OIIefSta:ed
-AVA
watts
So
Jar
$1.248, on paper
one
can
have
aseparate processor
and
amplifier
that
wiI perform
at
least
as
YieI
as
AVRs
in
the
S2,OO)
range
(Outlaw Audio
aetuaJIy
offers
this
Model
9751775
c:ornbII"l8l1OO
lor $1.096, so nreality it is even abetter
deaL)
II the day comes when you
need
sorneltw1g
the
Model 975
cant
do, keep
the
amphflet
and
replace the Model
975,
and
you're
goOO
to
go
egan
I
et1IOYed
the
tme
Ispent
With
the
Model 975 qui:e alot, I
think
you
will
too

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