Sieg C3 Installation instructions
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A picture story book to help you dismantle and
reassemble your Sieg C3 Mini-Lathe
Arc Euro Trade Ltd.
10 Archdale Street, Syston, Leicester, LE7 1NA.
Web: www.arceurotrade.co.uk Phone: 0116 269 5693.
C3 Mini-Lathe
Dismantling and
Reassembly Guide
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The Sieg C3 Mini Lathe is currently one of the most popular small
lathes available to model engineers today.
The C3 has a swing of 180mm (90mm centre height) and is
350mm between centres. The spindle has a through bore of
20mm and an MT3 taper whilst the camlock tailstock taper is
MT2. The standard 80mm 3 jaw self centring chuck is mounted
directly to the spindle flange which will also accommodate an
80mm 4 jaw independent chuck, an ER25 collet chuck or an
ER32 collet chuck directly on it’s ø55mm register. A larger 100mm
chuck may be fitted using one of our C3 (adaptor) backplates, but
we do not recommend the use of a chuck larger than 100mm.
Power is provided by a 350w brushed DC motor which is
electronically controlled to give a speed range of 100-3000 rpm
with the aid of a 2 speed gearbox. The Sieg C3 is also fitted
with a spindle speed display and is available in both metric and
imperial options.
This picture story guide is designed to help you dismantle,
reassemble, lubricate and make the proper adjustments to your
lathe.
Before dismantling your C3 mini lathe, you should read through
the entire guide and assess that you have the required equipment
and skills to complete the task. For instance, some operations
require the use of a lathe and you can’t use your C3 if its all in
bits!
Although not expressly stated at each stage in this guide, every
part is thoroughly cleaned in a paraffin type solvent before
reassembly.
For lubrication, we recommend Molyslip HSB grease (ARC code:
170-100-10300), and a good quality lubricating oil such as Rock
Oil HLP 32 Hydraulic Oil (ARC code: 170-150-00400). We do not
recommend using automotive engine oil or 3-in-1 oil.
Please note that Sieg also manufacture the C2 and C2A mini
lathes which are smaller variations of the C3 and will have some
construction differences. There are also other factories in China
making mini lathes similar to the C3 so these will be different
again.
1. The lathe out of the box and we are ready to start work. 2. Remove the chuck guard and rear splash guard.
3. Remove the tailstock. 4. Remove the chuck.
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5. Remove the tool post and remove the indexing plunger and spring and keep in a safe place.
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10. Remove compound slide and gib strip. 11. Unscrew the leadscrew from the compound slide base.
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12. Remove the compound slide base.
6. Remove the screw securing the compound slide handle. Remove handle and spacer.
7. Tap compound slide along with a soft mallet to remove micrometer dial and friction clip.
8. Remove the leadscrew end plate.
9. Slacken the gib adjusting screws.
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13. Wind the cross slide off the lead screw.
14. Slacken the gib adjusting screws.
15. Pull off the cross slide assembly.
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16. Remove the screw securing the cross slide handle. Remove handle and spacer.
17. Remove the leadscrew end plate and leadscrew.
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18. Remove the gear cover.
19. Undo and remove the final drive gear.
20. Undo and remove the gear quadrant.
21. Undo the fixing screws on either side...
...and remove the transfer gear carrier.
22. Undo and remove the tumbler reverse arm.
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31. Remove the gear cover support
bracket.
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30. Remove the rack from the front of the bed.
28. Undo the screws securing the apron and remove. 29. Slacken the saddle adjusting screws and slide the saddle off the end of the bed.
26. At the tailstock end, removed the leadscrew carrier bracket. 27. Draw out the leadscrew.
24. Remove the spacer and key from
the main leadscrew.
25. Remove the leadscrew carrier
bracket.
23. Remove the drive belt cover/backplate.
Dismantling the spindle
Steps 31 to 81 include a bearing change from standard ball raced bearings to taper roller
bearings. Switching to taper roller bearings will improve the machining accuracies and finish.
Since in many cases, taper roller bearings are not an essential upgrade, and because
you will need access to a hydraulic press and bearing separator you may wish to keep the
standard ball races and skip forward to step 82.
32. Remove 4 screws securing the control panel and lay to one side.
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39. Remove the motor cover. 40. Slacken the two drive belt adjusting screws.
41. Slacken the motor mount pivot screws and remove the drive belt. 42. Undo the motor mount pivot screws enough to remove the motor.
35. Disconnect K3 and K4 safety cut-out wires from the control board. 36. Disconnect the motor wires.
37. Disconnect the mains supply leads from the emergency stop switch. 38. Put the control box to one side.
33. Undo two screws and remove the speed display pickup. 34. Disconnect the three earth wires.
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51. Press spindle out of head. 52. Remove spacer and key.
49. Using a hole in the spindle flange for
access to the 3 fixing screws, remove the
front bearing cover.
50. Undo and remove the three screws fixing the head casting to the bed and remove the head.
43. Remove the chuck guard carrier spindle etc. 44. Remove circlip & pull off drive pulley. 45.
Using two C spanners, unlock & remove spindle nuts.
46. Remove Spindle Gear. 47. Remove key and spacer. 48. Remove the spindle rear bearing cover.
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61. The new bearing in place.
55. Press or drift-out rear bearing and remove
the large white plastic spacer.
58. Apply light coating of grease to gears and
gear change linkage.
63. Make and fit a new 0.190” (4.8mm) spacer between the gear and speed
encoder disk inside headstock.
57. Press or drift-in new 30206 taper roller outer
races to both front and rear of headstock.
60. Refit front bearing cover to spindle and press on
new 30206 taper roller bearing inner
64. Refit the key, the original spacer + the small 0.110” (2.8mm)
thick spacer (the original small spacer reduced in thickness)
to the spindle and grease the bearing.
62. This picture shows the complete sequence of parts loosely assembled on the spindle.
Gaps are left to clearly show the parts. There will be no gaps when assembled in the
head. *Note the outer spacers require a shoulder turning to clear the bearing cage.
56. Remove the small white plastic spacer
through the speed display pickup hole.
Reduce the thickness of this spacer to
0.110” (2.8mm) before refitting later.
59. Refit headstock to bed making sure
mating faces are clean and tighten down.
53. Press or pull off bearing and remove bearing cover from spindle.
If the bearing is tight to remove, polish the spindle to make the bearing a Push Fit
otherwise you will not be able to preload the taper roller bearings accurately.
54. Polish the spindle and test the fit by using one of
the old bearings (if not damaged).
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65. Assemble spindle aligning keyways in spacer, speed
encoder and gears. 67. Grease and fit new 30206 bearing.
70. Lubricate threads and fit C nuts - hand tight only.
73. Secure front bearing cover.
76. Thread mains cable through but
do not fit motor cover yet.
69. Fit metal drive gear.
72. Fit plastic drive pulley, secure with circlip.
78. Reconnect all the wires to the control box.
75. Refit the drive belt and adjust tension. If you cannot twist the belt
through 90° quite easily, the tension is probably too tight.
66. Fit rear spacer with shoulder facing out.
68. Fit the plastic rear spacer previously
modified in step 62 and the key.
71. Fit rear plastic bearing cover.
77. Refit the cable protector.
74. Refit the motor onto it’s pivot screws.
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79. Check the speed encoder disk aligns with the pick-up and fit. 80. Refit the chuck guard assembly.
81. Adjust the bearings for “slight drag” and pinch up the C nuts for the moment. Following the Start Up Procedure on page 18, run the spindle to warm
it up and settle the grease. Check and adjust the preload again. Lock the C nuts when the preload appears to be OK. Take care not to overdo the
preload as this could overheat and damage the bearings.
82. Check the drive belt is running on the centre of the pulley. If not, then adjust the motor’s lateral position with the motor pivot screws.
83. Check the drive belt tension again.
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89. Place the saddle on the bed and
check to see how it sits.
90. If it rocks, blue the bed and slide
the saddle up and down to find the high
spots.
91. Scrape, file or stone down the high
spots until the saddle sits flat on the bed.
87. Drill and tap the fixing holes deeper if necessary. 88. Final fit rack making sure it seats properly in the corner.
84. Scrape any paint off the bed shears. 86. If necessary, radius top rear edge of
the rack and trial fit again.
85. Trial fit rack to check if it seats or rocks.
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92. Loosen shear plate adjusting screws below the level of the plate and loosely fit to saddle. 93. Oil bed and saddle and slide saddle onto bed.
103. Grease or oil pinion gear and shaft assembly 104. Oil 1/2 nut cam slots and dovetails. 105. Temporarily fit apron to saddle.
Carry out all the following adjustments to both the
front and rear shear plates step by step.
94. Lightly pinch middle cap screw.
95. Screw in adjusting screws until just touching.
96. Slacken the middle cap screw.
97. Screw in both adjusting screws 1/2 turn.
98. Pinch up middle cap screw.
100. Check 1/2 nuts are correctly adjusted on apron
by operating lever.
106. The leadscrew brackets as they come on
the machine. Notice there is no means of
lubricating the bearing surfaces other than at
each end of the bracket.
101. Check there is no rock on the 1/2 nuts.
107. Drill oil holes through to the bore using a
centre drill.
102. Adjust the gib screws if necessary.
108. Finish off by cutting oil grooves in the bore
using a Dremel and a 3mm ball end burr
similar to the one shown in the inset.
(ARC code: 060-030-00310 - Carbide Burr 3mm Ball)
99. Test slide saddle up and down the bed. There
should be slight drag with no free play. Lightly
pinch up remaining cap screws checking after
each one and adjusting as required.
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109. Loosely fit leadscrew bracket & grease bore. 110. Grease end of leadscrew and feed through 1/2 nut and into bracket at headstock end.
111. Grease end of leadscrew and bracket bore and temporarily fix in place.
112. Slightly loosen apron fixing screws.
115. Return saddle close to leadscrew bracket
and lock 1/2 nuts. Remove bracket screws.
118. Check the bracket holes align
with holes in bed. If the holes are
misaligned, slot the bracket holes to
correct and refix the screws.
113. Lock 1/2 nuts onto leadscrew and tighten
apron fixing screws.
116. Check the bracket holes align with the holes
in bed. If holes are misaligned, slot the
bracket holes to correct and refix screws.
119. Return saddle to tailstock end and lock 1/2
nuts. Rock handwheel back and forth with
finger over end of leadscrew to check for end
float. Tap brackets in to remove end float.
114. Unlock 1/2 nuts and rack saddle up and down
bed to check pinion has no tight spots on rack.
117. Move saddle to headstock end and lock 1/2 nuts.
120. Check bite of 1/2 nuts on leadscrew is not too tight.
Slacken 1/2 nut adjusting screw. Lock 1/2 nuts.
Screw in adjusting screw until it touches and then a
further 1/8th turn. Lock off.
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121. Refit the belt cover.
123. Oil the tumbler reverse gear shafts.
126. Fit tumbler reverse mechanism.
... gears for backlash.
132. Check for correct gear alignment.
122. Strip, clean, oil / grease and reassemble the tumbler reverse detent assembly.
124. Oil gear shaft.
127. Grease the gear shaft and fix the gear carrier to the cover.
129. Check neutral gear position.
133. “Tweak” the lower quadrant bracket until the gears are in proper alignment.
130. The mesh and neutral position
can be improved by adjusting
the position of the belt cover.
125. Oil the lower quadrant gear shaft.
128. Check forward and reverse...
131. Refit lower gear quadrant.
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142. Temporarily fit the cross slide feed screw and bracket and
check for backlash.
143. To reduce backlash, machine the rear face of the bracket.
144. To increase backlash, machine a little from the recess. Remove the feed screw and bracket and put to one side.
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134. Fit leadscrew gear D. 135. Adjust backlash between gears C and D. 136. Engage quadrant and adjust backlash between gears A and B.
137. Very lightly grease gears.
145. Place cross slide on saddle
and check for clearance in
corners of dovetail.
149. View gib strip to check if
it’s sitting correctly. If OK,
disassemble.
146.
Modify gib screws or replace
with cone point screws.
150. Fit top slide base retaining plate. 151. Drop in gib strip and lubricate all ways.
147. Assemble cross slide and gib strip. 148. Fit adjusting screws lightly.
141. Oil / grease leadscrew. Engage 1/2 nuts and power the saddle back and forth along the bed.
139. Refit cover support bracket. 140. Refit gear cover.
138. Run spindle to check
for noisy gear meshing
and readjust backlash if
necessary.
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152. Assemble onto saddle. 153. Fit adjusting screws and adjust so slide can be moved back and forth easily by hand.
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154. Grease / oil the feed screw and bracket. 155. Assemble onto the saddle. 156. Fit the handle.
164. Remove the handle again in order to fit the micrometer dial and friction spring. 165. Refit the handle assembly.
157. Slacken the bracket screws, wind the slide right back and tighten the screws.
158. Wind the cross slide in and out. If there is any tightness, the feed screw nut will need adjusting. 159. The centre screw is for adjusting the position
of the nut in an up/down direction and the
two outside screws are for locking. Slacken
all three screws for now.
163. Make final adjustments to the
gib screws for free movement of
the handle with little drag.
160. Put finger pressure on handle and
screw-in the adjusting screw until
you can feel it just touching the nut
and then +¼ to ½ turn extra.
161. Pinch up the cap screws equally
while winding the slide in and out
until handwheel turns freely and
with minimum drag.
Continue adjusting all three screws
until the slide moves freely along it’s
full travel.
162. If required, slacken and reposition
bracket and return to adjusting the
nut.
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167. Temporarily fit top slide to compound base
and check for clearance in corners of dovetail.
166. Fit compound base to cross slide. 168. Oil top slide assembly and fit.
171. Oil / grease feed screw and fit. Oil / grease end of feed screw and bracket and fit.
172. Turn the feed screw to check it turns freely. 173. Assemble and fit the micrometer dial and friction clip to feed screw.
174. Fit the spacer and handle and wind the slide back and forth.
169.
Fit gib strip and adjusting screws making sure they engage in the gib strip dimples.
170. Adjust the screws so the slide will move back and forth easily by hand.
175. Measure backlash with a feeler gauge.
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The Completed Machine
177. Final adjust the top slide gib to your
preference and lock-off the screws.
178. Grease and fit the tool post spring and plunger and fit the tool post. 179. Oil the lead screw.
180. Fit the chuck. 181. Fit the tailstock. 182. Fit the rear guard.
176. Backlash can often be reduced by turning a recess in the spacer to clear the shoulder on the end of
the feed screw. The recess depth should be slightly less than the measurement taken with the feeler
gauge to allow some clearance. Adjust for free movement with minimal backlash.
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Always follow the correct Start-Up Procedure
1. Check everything is switched off -
• Mains power off
• Press Emergency stop switch (C) to turn off
• Forward/reverse (B) to the centre position (off)
• Speed control knob (A) turned fully anti-clockwise.
2. Switch on at the mains
3. Close the chuck guard
4. Slide back the emergency stop switch to release
5. Select forward or reverse
6. Slowly increase the speed by turning knob A
If the Fault LED (D) lights up and the machine will not
run, check that the correct starting sequence has been
followed.
Running the spindle for the first time:
1. Follow the Start-Up procedure with low gear selected and the motor running
forwards.
2. Run the machine at a low RPM. The machine should run smoothly with minimal
noise and vibration. If not turn off the machine and investigate the cause of the
problem.
3. Slowly increase the speed and run for 10 minutes at a high RPM.
4. Stop the machine and repeat steps 1-3 above in high gear.
5. Stop the machine and repeat steps 1-4 above in reverse.
This procedure will help to bed the motor brushes in and minimise arcing on the
motor commutator. It will also help bed in the taper roller bearings if you fitted them.
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